PVP Fairness (not a pc vs 360 discussion)

[Talynblade]

I am some what of a care bear, I enjoy co-op PVE and it is the main reason I will play this game. But I am slowly coming around to PVP, through COD 4 on my 360. I enjoy the challenge.

My concern is that the uber hardcore gamers will rank/lvl to max so fast and leave the casual gamer saying "where did that come from?" or "OMG, I put a whole clip in him and he just bunny hopped over me and pistolled me in one shot!" in a PVP match. I hope they can come up with a good matching system for people of different levels, (here comes a WOW referrence) like in wow battlegrounds. I would not want to be that lvl 15 going against a clan of 50's, that to me is not fun and will push the casual player aside. I agree with getting the better and stronger gear as you level up. But that can also inbalances the PVP matches without matching to levels.

Again maybe it is the care bear in me, but a inbalanced pvp match is just not fun and please do not say... well play more or level up you noob etc... I am a casual player who on occassion enjoys a good pvp match, but it would be a turn off if I am going to going against higher level players with the best gear in game cause they had the time to farm it.

They say it is a skill game, but we all know that argument goes so far, and when you put in the better and stronger gear for higher levels, it makes that higher level skill player so much harder to take out. COD 4, did a good job of keeping the playing field even. If it is all about skill, then match up pvp by levels, so the match is not inbalanced by gear.

Just my thoughts, flame on if you like. But from a casual care bear player who is interested in what this game as to offer, these are just a few of my concerns. this game has great potential, please to do not shun us casual, pve, players who are interested in everything this game as to offer for the hard core, player killer who lives to rub it in on noobs.

[Grind]

The battlegrounds will be separated by levels. Something like, the higher you level up the farther away you can travel from the capital and fight other high level players (I think I read that somewhere).

But yeah it'll be balanced and all that good stuff. There are usually plenty of casual gamers out there so I'm not too worried.

[Blazen Ace]

In one of the older interviews this very question was asked. The response was, that higher level characters would obviously have access to better weapons/armor and higher specialization in licenses. However a level 1 character using the starting AR with some skill and some luck has a chance against the upper level characters.

This doesn't mean you will have to play against higher level players. Just part of one of the 2005 interviews (obviously time and development have passed, and may have changed alot of things.

[Grind]

Originally Posted by Blazen Ace

In one of the older interviews this very question was asked. The response was, that higher level characters would obviously have access to better weapons/armor and higher specialization in licenses. However a level 1 character using the starting AR with some skill and some luck has a chance against the upper level characters.

This doesn't mean you will have to play against higher level players. Just part of one of the 2005 interviews (obviously time and development have passed, and may have changed alot of things.

I don't think they'd change something like that too much though. This game seems to stress the fact that low levels players will have a chance against high level players, and that it will be based on skill not only gear.

[Decent_xVICIOUSx]

plain and simple pc>console pc has better and more controls sensitivy settings for game and mouse i have a deathadder and you can tweak it to perfection but a controller eh not so much a average pc gamer in huxley should RAP3 a good 360 gamer because of controls or not... pc will own the hel1 outta the 360 enuff said

[jimbo]

^ lol fail....

erm i think there will be enough low levels to keeps people happy,
like they will hopefully even it out so you mostly do matches with people your level

[Blending Ninja]

Originally Posted by Decent_xVICIOUSx

plain and simple pc>console pc has better and more controls sensitivy settings for game and mouse i have a deathadder and you can tweak it to perfection but a controller eh not so much a average pc gamer in huxley should RAP3 a good 360 gamer because of controls or not... pc will own the hel1 outta the 360 enuff said

Not to troll or any thing BUT YOUR AN IDIOT! have you not played CoD4 for xbox? i play on 10 sensitivity, i dont know how you can beat that on a computer, i just dont

[Kerfuffin]

you turn up your mouse sensitivity :|

[Grind]

Originally Posted by Kerfuffin

you turn up your mouse sensitivity :|

lmao nice Not that I want to get in a PC vs console debate when the title is "PVP Fairness (not a pc vs 360 discussion)"

but that's just funny. I hear a lot of console gamers saying they turn their sensitivity all the way up so they're super leet and can beat people on computers. And for some reason I don't think I've ever heard someone say "I'll just turn up my mouse sensitivity".

lol that's just awesome to me for some reason :D


Shame on whoever randomly changed this into a PC vs Console thread though. I'll try to save it! first by saying both PC and console have their advantages (to clear the water and say I heart everyone)

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I'm really curious as to how strictly they're going to separate the different levels. So far we pretty much figure that they have different level brackets, and the low levels can't go into the higher level brackets.

But if the battlefields are set up in an overall world map, then there will probably only be 1 battlefield for each zone (meaning it won't work like a regular FPS or the WoW BGs where there are multiples of the same game running at once and none of them matter.) of course I don't know this for sure, but that's why I'm wondering.

Do you think higher levels will be able to enter low level battlegrounds? Because if the world is going to be persistent and the battles matter, then it would be lame if one side didn't have enough lower levels signed on to help out with certain low level battles, one side would win just because the losing side has more high levels on at the moment.

[Su-do]

If I recall, xbox live already has a ranking/matching system in place for its games based on skill level. This is something I could see webzen taking advantage of for 360 players and if they really wanted could force upon pc players with the whole "games for windows" software as well.

The fact of the matter is though, no matter what skill level you are, or want to play with, there will always be someone better than you (even in a lower skilled group) and when you play against them you may or may not feel like you are getting trashed around by them. Thats just the nature of pvp. Ya win some you loose some and if you seem to always be loosing against a particular person, im sure the game will have some sort of filter to ignore them or possible way for you to avoid them.....on the battlefield.......dont know why you would though......seems like it would be more fun to finally kill that bastard.....but thats just me...............

[spampire]

Originally Posted by Talynblade

My concern is that the uber hardcore gamers will rank/lvl to max so fast and leave the casual gamer saying "where did that come from?" or "OMG, I put a whole clip in him and he just bunny hopped over me and pistolled me in one shot!" in a PVP match. I hope they can come up with a good matching system for people of different levels, (here comes a WOW referrence) like in wow battlegrounds. I would not want to be that lvl 15 going against a clan of 50's, that to me is not fun and will push the casual player aside. I agree with getting the better and stronger gear as you level up. But that can also inbalances the PVP matches without matching to levels.

There will always be someone on a server who just pwn you but at the same time with 5000 ppl there will be ppl that you just pwn. Someone will get super good at a tactic and in the right enviorment excell with certain weapon/tactic (FPS twitch based)

Other ppl will obviously be powerleveled where they rode someone elses coatail to max level and when they PvP its obvious they do not know there class. They will get farmed and it doesn't always take a leveled character to farm them, they can get farmed by lower levels because they don't under stand the enviorment or the tactics being used against them.

Then theres the human exhaustion factor- some kids stomps face all night he eventually will get tired, his reactions will slow then- BAM you just headshot him finally.

I come from planetside and yea level rank or whatever you want to call it play a big part but a lower rank toon can kickass still he just has to try harder and be more careful than a higher rank/level toon.

A big factor is how well you know your enviorment and how many times you've fought in that area. You can be level 1 and a level 50 might not understand the enviorment and you already know the fields of fire, where cover is or isn't, etc. And you will own the higher level because he is not as spatially aware as you becuase you have so much experience playing in say that alley way or whatever and you know what to already expect there when the higher level has no clue maybe the higher level never played in that spot before- you have an advantage then.

FPSMMO is so different than RPGMMO because of things like this allow lower levs to get some too. In RPGMMO its mostly all your level doing the killing for you and low levs stand no chance at all. FPSMMO low levs can get theres too.

Don't worry OP you'll do fine as long as you don't let dying bother you and thats how you get better- by learning from your deaths. What did i do wrong in that situation/enviorment and what should i do next time in that predicament if u ask yourself these questions each time you're skill will improve.