PVP High Level vs. Low Level

[Grind]

I think any level differences that happen in game will be ok. Because if gear doesn't matter as much as it does in an MMORPG then it won't be high levels slaugthering people just 10 levels lower than them.

I'm hoping it'll be more like the high levels have more abilities (like tackle and heat vision etc.) but not necessarily more damage from their gun and more damage reduction from their armor.

If they just have more abilities to help them with the fight then they're probably going to win but at least the lower level still has a chance. I hate seeing high levels just lightly jog through a group of low levels and slaughter them all without breaking a sweat. I understand the higher level will probably win but I'd them to win because they're better and because they have more skills to help them in a fight, not because their gun does more damage and their armor makes them invincible.

[Skaterepp]

what I love about MMOFPS games it MOST of them are about skill. Planetside whew,a battle rank 10 could beat a Battle rank 20,I have beaten a CR5 befor wich meens Command Rank 5,those guys rule planetside. and I beat one.

[darklordv]

u guys wanna play a good FPS then get halo 3 coming sep 25 . its sci fi it has vehicles for air and land and u have all kinds of weapons to get a feel for. i got it pre ordered already.

[Twilight Rage]

I think you will be able to buy the weapons when you have the money but you wont be able to use them untell you are the level you need to be to use it.

[Skaterepp]

Originally Posted by darklordv

u guys wanna play a good FPS then get halo 3 coming sep 25 . its sci fi it has vehicles for air and land and u have all kinds of weapons to get a feel for. i got it pre ordered already.

HAHAHAHAH Huxkey ownes Halo3

[xxvic1ousxx]

Originally Posted by darklordv

u guys wanna play a good FPS then get halo 3 coming sep 25 . its sci fi it has vehicles for air and land and u have all kinds of weapons to get a feel for. i got it pre ordered already.

With over 1 millions pre-orders, Halo 3 is the most renowned console FPS to date; hands down. So I'm fairly sure that nearly all of the members here are at a least aware of it's existence.

I'm gonna logically assume that roughly half the players here played in the beta; and that arguably, fanboyism aside please, that Halo 3 is way over-hyped. Though far greater than the series' previous installment, Halo 3 will end up being just another Halo 2 IMO.

Now back on topic...

Originally Posted by Grind

I think any level differences that happen in game will be ok. Because if gear doesn't matter as much as it does in an MMORPG then it won't be high levels slaugthering people just 10 levels lower than them.

I'm hoping it'll be more like the high levels have more abilities (like tackle and heat vision etc.) but not necessarily more damage from their gun and more damage reduction from their armor.

If they just have more abilities to help them with the fight then they're probably going to win but at least the lower level still has a chance. I hate seeing high levels just lightly jog through a group of low levels and slaughter them all without breaking a sweat. I understand the higher level will probably win but I'd them to win because they're better and because they have more skills to help them in a fight, not because their gun does more damage and their armor makes them invincible.

I understand where you're coming from Grind, but if you think about it; not having better weapons that do more damage than weapons with lower lvl requirements and better armor that reduces damage taken, negates the point of having new weapons, new armor, or really even a leveling system at all for that matter; which in turn strips the game of the RPG elements that set this aside from just another 'Run of the Mill' shooter. Everyone might as well be running around with the same weapon and set of armor. Taking away such elements also dulls the leveling system in such a manner that it would appear more to be a disguised cliché ranking system ala Halo 2's ranked matchmaking.

I believe that developers mentioned that your armor will allow you to place up to 5 abilities into it(not sure if the armor lvl. determines if it will be only 2-3 abilities or 4-5) . So you can already count that in.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that it would feel really dull if I were a lvl. 96(assuming one can reach that high) Alternix Avenger; and all I have to show for the amount of time, effort and dedication I put into reaching that lvl are a few abilities that may or may not help me.

[Grind]

Originally Posted by xxvic1ousxx

With over 1 millions pre-orders, Halo 3 is the most renowned console FPS to date; hands down. So I'm fairly sure that nearly all of the members here are at a least aware of it's existence.

I'm gonna logically assume that roughly half the players here played in the beta; and that arguably, fanboyism aside please, that Halo 3 is way over-hyped. Though far greater than the series' previous installment, Halo 3 will end up being just another Halo 2 IMO.

Now back on topic...



I understand where you're coming from Grind, but if you think about it; not having better weapons that do more damage than weapons with lower lvl requirements and better armor that reduces damage taken, negates the point of having new weapons, new armor, or really even a leveling system at all for that matter; which in turn strips the game of the RPG elements that set this aside from just another 'Run of the Mill' shooter. Everyone might as well be running around with the same weapon and set of armor. Taking away such elements also dulls the leveling system in such a manner that it would appear more to be a disguised cliché ranking system ala Halo 2's ranked matchmaking.

I believe that developers mentioned that your armor will allow you to place up to 5 abilities into it(not sure if the armor lvl. determines if it will be only 2-3 abilities or 4-5) . So you can already count that in.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that it would feel really dull if I were a lvl. 96(assuming one can reach that high) Alternix Avenger; and all I have to show for the amount of time, effort and dedication I put into reaching that lvl are a few abilities that may or may not help me.

yeah you're right about it being lame if armor and weapons didn't get better at higher levels. And I believe they've actually confirmed that for each weapon type there will be many different levels or grades to that gun. So one person could have a big missile launcher but I could have the "best" missile launcher or something.

However I know they're trying to make the game more focused on skill rather than gear so I'm just really curious as to how they can do it without making leveling up a pointless task. Maybe weapons will get better accuracy and recoil instead of better flat damage?

[Fishbone]

Now if anyone here has ever played Neocron I think they are going to do it like that, It was about 50/50 gear and skill. I know I sometimes would rip though gunslingers with my claws other times I would just be filled with holes. I'm just hoping Huxley will not have a stupid aiming recticle to make it hard for gun users to combat melee. I'm just hoping to see giant battles again, and once a mmorpg that isn't fantasy and more futuristic. And if you want a game to play to hold you over for a week (time of trial lol) try neocron, it's entertaining, just remember, don't take that chip out of your head until you get enough skill to use better weapons or some rank 90/90 guy (or a 112/87... i hate psymonks...) will come murder you. But yea i'm hoping this game will get me out of wow.

[Grind]

Originally Posted by Fishbone

Now if anyone here has ever played Neocron I think they are going to do it like that, It was about 50/50 gear and skill. I know I sometimes would rip though gunslingers with my claws other times I would just be filled with holes. I'm just hoping Huxley will not have a stupid aiming recticle to make it hard for gun users to combat melee. I'm just hoping to see giant battles again, and once a mmorpg that isn't fantasy and more futuristic. And if you want a game to play to hold you over for a week (time of trial lol) try neocron, it's entertaining, just remember, don't take that chip out of your head until you get enough skill to use better weapons or some rank 90/90 guy (or a 112/87... i hate psymonks...) will come murder you. But yea i'm hoping this game will get me out of wow.

I'd love it was an equal 50/50 between skill and gear but that's almost impossible to do. Just because not everyone is going to have the same armor and be the same class etc. So it would be really hard to balance everything.

I'm ok with there being a rock paper scissors kind of thing so I have a tougher time fighting a certain class but I guess it just all depends on how the gameplay works out.

[eclipsedmind]

what about skill with lvl experiance like you get exp for win battles and so on and you use your skill so you start off petty bad but soon after you get lvls by winning and killing soon you can upgrade weopons and abilities using exp which may even act as a second source of currency

[Callice]

Well here's my Opinion.

I would say yea why not ? A lucky head shot...Veteran just got owned ^^.

Obviously the more experienced player would know the map's better.. and would find it easier to find and kill enemy...Though a luckily placed shot can end the match with 1 bullet. (Thats excluding the Special helmet or what ever is gonna be implanted (So i read)..) So my answer is Yes to your Question.

About the Weaker and Stronger weapons..Even a Pistol head shot would own you in most games..(Im guessing it might be the same in Huxley.. But im just shooting in the dark !)

Callice.