Huxley Game, Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter Game, MMOFPS

kamikaze · 03-05-2006, 08:12 PM

I've watched with amusement all of the clans scrambling for members - some of them already claiming hundreds of members for a game that might not be out for a year !

I've been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein but am new to MMO's - is it normal for everybody to belong to one of these mega clans ?

I was in Quake clans for both Q1 and Q3 (Q1 TG - the UK's first quake clan and probably THE first UK clan of any type to be formed !) and had some great luaghs and matches but these clans were 6 - 10 people who became close friends, surely you can't retain this same feeling with hundreds of people.

I'm just struggling to get my head around this whole MMO / clan thing I think - I intended playing Huxley as a lone player, will this not be possible ?

How about if I offer myself asa mercenary for hire ? ;-)

Serus · 03-05-2006, 08:19 PM

You can play solo, but it's going to depend greatly on how the game is played. If in player vs environment play you need more than one person to complete objectives, a guild is helpful to find someone to help you. Guilds are also great at answering questions, providing in-game money/items/weapons etc. at a discounted price (typically.) But this all depends on how the gameplay is going to be.

Also, with guilds you'll play more regularly with particular people. When you play with a group of people often, you'll play better with eachother.

Clans for non-mmo games usually are pretty small, because your playing on servers with a max of 64 players. When you play on a server that has 5000 people, you have to have a larger guild/clan.

You can go without a guild for a while, but you'll eventually end up in one.

Landain · 03-05-2006, 08:35 PM

I'm going to replace the word "guild" with "outfit" for this MMOFPS because outfit has more of a militaristic flavor to it than guild which is a fantasy based term. Serus is correct about the advantages of your outfit mates. Teamwork in this kind of game is critical. Going it alone is possible for some places. I'm sure you will be fine in the 120v120 PvP area. You can become one of the zerglings in that massive battle. But you will undoubtedly find many of the quests in the PvE aspect will require a "team" of people to complete. I read in one of the interviews that the basic "Squad" or groupings of players will be 10 people. So you will want to have a group of around this many to enter into those instances. If you do not intend on joining an outfit you can always do these quests with "randoms" in a pick up group. Occasionally you may get lucky and find a group that has their shit together. But I have found that if you repeatedly work with the same crew time and time again, success comes much easier and it becomes more fun in the process with an outfit.

In the large outfits of 100+ it is difficult to acquire allegiance, loyalty from everyone and people come and go. If the outfit has some charismatic leader who attracts the multitude of minions loyalty and obedience will last as long as that leader is in game.

In my opinion, the best outfits are the ones that have fewer than 50 active members. These outfits tend to bond with one another better and know the other guy's playstyles better. In time, your outfit will acquire alliances with other smaller outfits and work together on raids/quests that require more than just a platoon's compliment.

so, can you go it alone? Yes.
will you need to rely on others in Huxley? yes.
Would you rather work with randoms or with people that you know fairly well and can rely on when the shit hits the fan like in an outfit? I'd choose the outfit.

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Originally Posted by Kamikaze

How about if I offer myself asa mercenary for hire ?

I wouldn't hire you but if you were a team player, I'd invite you to join the Enforcers.

Udonis · 03-05-2006, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamikaze

I've watched with amusement all of the clans scrambling for members - some of them already claiming hundreds of members for a game that might not be out for a year !

I've been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein but am new to MMO's - is it normal for everybody to belong to one of these mega clans ?

I was in Quake clans for both Q1 and Q3 (Q1 TG - the UK's first quake clan and probably THE first UK clan of any type to be formed !) and had some great luaghs and matches but these clans were 6 - 10 people who became close friends, surely you can't retain this same feeling with hundreds of people.

I'm just struggling to get my head around this whole MMO / clan thing I think - I intended playing Huxley as a lone player, will this not be possible ?

How about if I offer myself asa mercenary for hire ? ;-)

on you talking about clans with 100+ members please remember this is before the game many people wont be their in game like they say they will becuase of many things.... Some wont have a good enough comp to run Huxley, some wont pay to play (even though you should expect that) and many other's will simply drift off into the sunset and find another game
(I dont know why this game rocks). Also many people are clan whores who will bounce around in diff clans....

As to your Mercanary 4 Hire.... I dont know yet if you will be able to be that unless there are more than one character slot's plus if your solo like you say up against multiple people well i dont know how effective youll be unless....(you have a team of mercs)but a good Idea though...

kamikaze · 04-05-2006, 01:29 AM

Thanks guys for good explanations - makes sense.

I guess I'll see how the game turns out, if there's a need for squads etc. for particular 'quests' then that's fine - I'm guessing I'll see some of the same people on the server as I do on the Quake servers so allegiances should be easy to form, whether temporary or permanent.

The Quake format is getting pretty old after a dozen or so years so I need something fresh and something a bit more team based sounds like it might be the ticket.

Are there any UK based clans out there ? - preferably including people from a Quake / UT background rather than an MMO one.

nickfury · 04-05-2006, 07:53 PM

There are good and bad sides to being apart of a clan. One of the good sides being that if you ever need help, your clan is there to help you... most of the time. That alone is a great asset.

One of the down sides of being in a clan is that most tend to evolve into elitest groups and thus it makes you look bad.

Just decide on your play style and go from there. :]

13Knives · 05-05-2006, 01:32 AM

I think it's quite normal, this Clan thing. I have always played solo, or at least with just one friend on Ventrilo. Tried the clan thing once, hated it. All i ever got to listen to on the Clan teamspeak was petty arguements and power struggles.....power struggles? Are you kidding me? I have heard the most ridiculous arguements about things which in the real world are absolutely nothing. Lol. I donate to a BF2 clan, don't want to join.....but, they are very good players, and cooperate in a squad situation very well. A great buncha guys to game with. Throw your allegiance where you must, but i always try to remain on the outside.

ArmorKing · 20-05-2006, 08:02 PM

Heres something to think on kamikaze... this is a game that is, solo, squads, outfit battles, massive battles.... In massive battles you can solo or with other people... the purpose for outfits( clans) is to get a group of people together who want to work with each other often to do battle, or whatever their goals are... some outifits are made only to socialize easier... i would say go into the game solo, and maybe work yourself into a group you can get to know and battle with.... what ever you decide to do, remember this... you see a Grenade coming, Dodge and COVER!!!

Daedelus · 20-05-2006, 08:18 PM

Good replys. as for my self sure i like to some some things solo but large games like this would be funner to play with friends(outfits) i have been lucky enough to still have good comuication with my old CS clan and as new games come out we have branched off to make guilds in star wars galaxies,then few people migrated from that game to WoW. And now we have mostly started playing BF2 together it is a blast. I have tryed getting them turned towards planet side but there adiction to BF2 is hard.
I plan on trying to foster some more growth with in our community to get the guys to try huxley when i comes out and so maybe the year delay will help them get over there BF2 fix and if it can beet out BF 2142(shipping date) with any luck we can get into huxley,as it is such a funner experiance to play with frieds that are like minded and you sort of know there reactions and strenght weakness Etc.

ArmorKing · 20-05-2006, 08:24 PM

Sadly none us know for sure when huxley is to be released... hopefully Webzen will let us know soon.

Daedelus · 20-05-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmorKing

Sadly none us know for sure when huxley is to be released... hopefully Webzen will let us know soon.

true and so sad after finally finding this game and being amazed at the potential just to find out it is not out right now and not to be out for a awhile.
Great to see another poster posting from work

i get so bored some times that i surf and post. have such a hard time doing it at home as i am on sort of a must play,must play,must play mode the whole time iam at home and have a hard time just sitting down and posting.

ArmorKing · 20-05-2006, 08:54 PM

hehe yep, have some downtime right now at work. so im taking my time to do some good posting

WarHero · 21-05-2006, 02:50 AM

Ive always been one for teams, love games with mutliplayer Co-op, so MMO's are my gaming period pretty much, I have been in those 100+ clans (i think 350-400 was biggest one i ever got into) and i can say i DEFINITLY enjoy the ones that are 50 and below. I mean having tons of people (in some cases hundreds of people) there to help you and blast away others is fun, but usually it gets annoying. (IE: by the time you get where your going, the other 80 people have torn the enemie apart, leaving you to just wander around looking for scraps.) Plus, with that many members, its easy to find someone you dont like. I was in a clan and some guy didnt like me because i had been defending what we had instead of taking other things. and would NOT leave me alone, even after my several tries to make amends. So my advice is to get in a group that is the smaller then you want, and that will likely grow into the size you want and stay there. Good clans dont come along to often, and when you find a clan that is like a big family, you best be liken the game their playin.

Khaon · 21-05-2006, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamikaze

I've watched with amusement all of the clans scrambling for members - some of them already claiming hundreds of members for a game that might not be out for a year !

I've been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein but am new to MMO's - is it normal for everybody to belong to one of these mega clans ?

I was in Quake clans for both Q1 and Q3 (Q1 TG - the UK's first quake clan and probably THE first UK clan of any type to be formed !) and had some great luaghs and matches but these clans were 6 - 10 people who became close friends, surely you can't retain this same feeling with hundreds of people.

I'm just struggling to get my head around this whole MMO / clan thing I think - I intended playing Huxley as a lone player, will this not be possible ?

How about if I offer myself asa mercenary for hire ? ;-)

I tend to find that in FPS clans, there is usually a small bunch of guys, probably no more than 10. But in MMO clans, I've seen clans up to 160 different players (clan total about 240 with all the alts) .

In a game where it's a full scale war, i expect huge MEGA clans that form in MMORPG/FPS games, also wouldnt be surprised if it pretty much becomes "sapien mega clan vs alternative mega clan" instead of "race vs race". but i dont know

If a clan has 500 random fools in it who join because someone said in the chat box "join us" then I hate clans like that, but clans that invite and choose do well in MMO's ive playued.

nubs · 21-05-2006, 02:22 PM

I come from both a MMORPG and a competetive FPS background so completely understand how people who have never played a MMOGP can look at a large guild and think .. "what the hell!?"

My outfit shares a forum setup with some other game clans, from all sorts of games but we were the only MMOG one at the time, the forum wanted a census of clan members so they could keep an eye on non forum members using their teamspeak server. All the clans were posting their member lists and when we posted ours of about 60 people the replies we got were quite amusing

That was a planetside outfit and I have to say.. if you are careful about what outfit you join (try to do a bit of research on the outfit reputation beforehand if possible, or play with them in squads for a while before joining), the experience you get as part of a large closenit group is superior to anything else you will experience in a game. We were fortuante in that we were able to survive for as long as needed in Planetside becuase we were extremely careful about who we chose. Our criteria was simply...

Follow squad leader orders to the letter and without question.
Respect your allies and your outfit mates.
No l33t shit.
Ability to work with a team.

The main rule being that the squad leaders word was final and sacred, regardless of wether you agreed or not you did what they said, if you had a suggestion you tell them privately. Outfit officers were expected to follow the orders of a normal outfit member who had the squad leader position, but obviously if they felt that the squad leader wasnt doing his job (IE not issuing orders or trying to force something blatently stupid) they could step in and take over - this was rarely necassary as people were apprenticed in squad leading by the outfit leaders, so knew what was expected of them.

All the time we spent fighting together in a dynamic warzone rather than just disjointed small battles meant that we did form a brotherhood of sorts and some genuinely solid friendships. We stopped playing palnetside a year ago but our forums are still active and we are all still in touch and still meet up with each other. When one of us starts a new online game typically several others will go in with them... but we are all waiting for Huxley with baited breath, because its a chance to get back what we had 2 years ago and now so desperately miss.

Having played planetside now, I simply cant play Quake style games anymore, they are just too shallow and give no satisfaction, wich is strange because i loved them before planetside. An MMOFPS offers a much much richer and more satisfying experience, once you've had it properly.. you cant go back. I still play games like BF2 and CS , they offer a bit more depth, but its still a bit hollow. Some of the stuff in BF 2142 looks ripped straight out of planetside so im interested to see how that goes as well.

aVaid · 21-05-2006, 04:29 PM

If i was to join an outfit which is a dam good way to call it.
I'd join one that plays a variety of games so they can help you in many different ways. Though they would be playin different games at once. It WOULD help you in different genres though and give a better playin time. and you could be closer with the other members.

6-20 people is much much better than 100's. As you know how'd they play and when they play.

Naughty · 21-05-2006, 07:08 PM

I have the same problem as you. I like having that small group of friends that you play with all the time, become good friends with, and not to mention kick ass togeather when you start playing. I don't really want to join one of these huge clans, to me they feel like mobs. I will probably do for Huxley what I did for any other MMo or FPS I played, have a select group of players that I will play with all the time, we'll become a crew, help eachother out with weapons and such when needed, and when it comes to play time we'll destroy. I don't really think the big clans can get as much teamwork as the smaller ones, obviously because they have so much people, but when it comes to in game, I bet it's pretty intimidating to see a group of people all in the same clan compared to your four or five.

nubs · 22-05-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Naughty

I have the same problem as you. I like having that small group of friends that you play with all the time, become good friends with, and not to mention kick ass togeather when you start playing. I don't really want to join one of these huge clans, to me they feel like mobs. I will probably do for Huxley what I did for any other MMo or FPS I played, have a select group of players that I will play with all the time, we'll become a crew, help eachother out with weapons and such when needed, and when it comes to play time we'll destroy. I don't really think the big c

03-05-2006, 08:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
kamikaze Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 54	Going it alone ? I've watched with amusement all of the clans scrambling for members - some of them already claiming hundreds of members for a game that might not be out for a year ! I've been playing FPS games since Wolfenstein but am new to MMO's - is it normal for everybody to belong to one of these mega clans ? I was in Quake clans for both Q1 and Q3 (Q1 TG - the UK's first quake clan and probably THE first UK clan of any type to be formed !) and had some great luaghs and matches but these clans were 6 - 10 people who became close friends, surely you can't retain this same feeling with hundreds of people. I'm just struggling to get my head around this whole MMO / clan thing I think - I intended playing Huxley as a lone player, will this not be possible ? How about if I offer myself asa mercenary for hire ? ;-) __________________ "KamiKaze ate my hamster !"

04-05-2006, 01:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
kamikaze Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 54	Thanks guys for good explanations - makes sense. I guess I'll see how the game turns out, if there's a need for squads etc. for particular 'quests' then that's fine - I'm guessing I'll see some of the same people on the server as I do on the Quake servers so allegiances should be easy to form, whether temporary or permanent. The Quake format is getting pretty old after a dozen or so years so I need something fresh and something a bit more team based sounds like it might be the ticket. Are there any UK based clans out there ? - preferably including people from a Quake / UT background rather than an MMO one. __________________ "KamiKaze ate my hamster !"

05-05-2006, 01:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
13Knives Training Grounds Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mountains of VT! Posts: 6	I think it's quite normal, this Clan thing. I have always played solo, or at least with just one friend on Ventrilo. Tried the clan thing once, hated it. All i ever got to listen to on the Clan teamspeak was petty arguements and power struggles.....power struggles? Are you kidding me? I have heard the most ridiculous arguements about things which in the real world are absolutely nothing. Lol. I donate to a BF2 clan, don't want to join.....but, they are very good players, and cooperate in a squad situation very well. A great buncha guys to game with. Throw your allegiance where you must, but i always try to remain on the outside. __________________ [url=http://www.putfile.com][img]http://x11.putfile.com/4/10822240148.jpg[/img][/url]

20-05-2006, 08:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
ArmorKing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lake Havasu City,Arizona Posts: 189	Heres something to think on kamikaze... this is a game that is, solo, squads, outfit battles, massive battles.... In massive battles you can solo or with other people... the purpose for outfits( clans) is to get a group of people together who want to work with each other often to do battle, or whatever their goals are... some outifits are made only to socialize easier... i would say go into the game solo, and maybe work yourself into a group you can get to know and battle with.... what ever you decide to do, remember this... you see a Grenade coming, Dodge and COVER!!! __________________ Walk Softly, and Carry a Very Big Gun

20-05-2006, 08:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
ArmorKing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lake Havasu City,Arizona Posts: 189	Sadly none us know for sure when huxley is to be released... hopefully Webzen will let us know soon. __________________ Walk Softly, and Carry a Very Big Gun

03-05-2006, 08:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Serus Training Grounds Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14	You can play solo, but it's going to depend greatly on how the game is played. If in player vs environment play you need more than one person to complete objectives, a guild is helpful to find someone to help you. Guilds are also great at answering questions, providing in-game money/items/weapons etc. at a discounted price (typically.) But this all depends on how the gameplay is going to be. Also, with guilds you'll play more regularly with particular people. When you play with a group of people often, you'll play better with eachother. Clans for non-mmo games usually are pretty small, because your playing on servers with a max of 64 players. When you play on a server that has 5000 people, you have to have a larger guild/clan. You can go without a guild for a while, but you'll eventually end up in one.

04-05-2006, 07:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
nickfury Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: huntington beach, ca Posts: 119	There are good and bad sides to being apart of a clan. One of the good sides being that if you ever need help, your clan is there to help you... most of the time. That alone is a great asset. One of the down sides of being in a clan is that most tend to evolve into elitest groups and thus it makes you look bad. Just decide on your play style and go from there. :]

20-05-2006, 08:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
Daedelus Training Grounds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portland,Or./San Diego,Ca. Posts: 27	Good replys. as for my self sure i like to some some things solo but large games like this would be funner to play with friends(outfits) i have been lucky enough to still have good comuication with my old CS clan and as new games come out we have branched off to make guilds in star wars galaxies,then few people migrated from that game to WoW. And now we have mostly started playing BF2 together it is a blast. I have tryed getting them turned towards planet side but there adiction to BF2 is hard. I plan on trying to foster some more growth with in our community to get the guys to try huxley when i comes out and so maybe the year delay will help them get over there BF2 fix and if it can beet out BF 2142(shipping date) with any luck we can get into huxley,as it is such a funner experiance to play with frieds that are like minded and you sort of know there reactions and strenght weakness Etc.

20-05-2006, 08:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
ArmorKing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lake Havasu City,Arizona Posts: 189	hehe yep, have some downtime right now at work. so im taking my time to do some good posting __________________ Walk Softly, and Carry a Very Big Gun

21-05-2006, 02:50 AM	#13 (permalink)
WarHero Training Grounds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 29	Ive always been one for teams, love games with mutliplayer Co-op, so MMO's are my gaming period pretty much, I have been in those 100+ clans (i think 350-400 was biggest one i ever got into) and i can say i DEFINITLY enjoy the ones that are 50 and below. I mean having tons of people (in some cases hundreds of people) there to help you and blast away others is fun, but usually it gets annoying. (IE: by the time you get where your going, the other 80 people have torn the enemie apart, leaving you to just wander around looking for scraps.) Plus, with that many members, its easy to find someone you dont like. I was in a clan and some guy didnt like me because i had been defending what we had instead of taking other things. and would NOT leave me alone, even after my several tries to make amends. So my advice is to get in a group that is the smaller then you want, and that will likely grow into the size you want and stay there. Good clans dont come along to often, and when you find a clan that is like a big family, you best be liken the game their playin.

21-05-2006, 02:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
nubs Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 166	I come from both a MMORPG and a competetive FPS background so completely understand how people who have never played a MMOGP can look at a large guild and think .. "what the hell!?" My outfit shares a forum setup with some other game clans, from all sorts of games but we were the only MMOG one at the time, the forum wanted a census of clan members so they could keep an eye on non forum members using their teamspeak server. All the clans were posting their member lists and when we posted ours of about 60 people the replies we got were quite amusing That was a planetside outfit and I have to say.. if you are careful about what outfit you join (try to do a bit of research on the outfit reputation beforehand if possible, or play with them in squads for a while before joining), the experience you get as part of a large closenit group is superior to anything else you will experience in a game. We were fortuante in that we were able to survive for as long as needed in Planetside becuase we were extremely careful about who we chose. Our criteria was simply... Follow squad leader orders to the letter and without question. Respect your allies and your outfit mates. No l33t shit. Ability to work with a team. The main rule being that the squad leaders word was final and sacred, regardless of wether you agreed or not you did what they said, if you had a suggestion you tell them privately. Outfit officers were expected to follow the orders of a normal outfit member who had the squad leader position, but obviously if they felt that the squad leader wasnt doing his job (IE not issuing orders or trying to force something blatently stupid) they could step in and take over - this was rarely necassary as people were apprenticed in squad leading by the outfit leaders, so knew what was expected of them. All the time we spent fighting together in a dynamic warzone rather than just disjointed small battles meant that we did form a brotherhood of sorts and some genuinely solid friendships. We stopped playing palnetside a year ago but our forums are still active and we are all still in touch and still meet up with each other. When one of us starts a new online game typically several others will go in with them... but we are all waiting for Huxley with baited breath, because its a chance to get back what we had 2 years ago and now so desperately miss. Having played planetside now, I simply cant play Quake style games anymore, they are just too shallow and give no satisfaction, wich is strange because i loved them before planetside. An MMOFPS offers a much much richer and more satisfying experience, once you've had it properly.. you cant go back. I still play games like BF2 and CS , they offer a bit more depth, but its still a bit hollow. Some of the stuff in BF 2142 looks ripped straight out of planetside so im interested to see how that goes as well. __________________ [img]http://uk.geocities.com/edbennett@btinternet.com/NordicLogo7.jpg[/img] Last edited by nubs; 21-05-2006 at 02:26 PM.

21-05-2006, 04:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
aVaid Training Grounds Join Date: May 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 15	If i was to join an outfit which is a dam good way to call it. I'd join one that plays a variety of games so they can help you in many different ways. Though they would be playin different games at once. It WOULD help you in different genres though and give a better playin time. and you could be closer with the other members. 6-20 people is much much better than 100's. As you know how'd they play and when they play. __________________ [URL="http://shelf.freeblog.hu/Files/kepek/1126561317699.gif"]http://shelf.freeblog.hu/Files/kepek/1126561317699.gif[/URL]

21-05-2006, 07:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Naughty Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vegas Posts: 34	I have the same problem as you. I like having that small group of friends that you play with all the time, become good friends with, and not to mention kick ass togeather when you start playing. I don't really want to join one of these huge clans, to me they feel like mobs. I will probably do for Huxley what I did for any other MMo or FPS I played, have a select group of players that I will play with all the time, we'll become a crew, help eachother out with weapons and such when needed, and when it comes to play time we'll destroy. I don't really think the big clans can get as much teamwork as the smaller ones, obviously because they have so much people, but when it comes to in game, I bet it's pretty intimidating to see a group of people all in the same clan compared to your four or five.