Huxley Game, Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter Game, MMOFPS

Sutures · 31-05-2007, 07:27 PM

I've got a question about people saying console games having better control. Everyone I know that plays PC and console games will concede that control is far better on a PC. Frankly, it blows my mind that people would feel otherwise. Not trying to flame or anything, but lack of control is the main reason I generally refuse to play any console games, particularly FPS games. You just can't move your point of aim/turn anywhere near fast enough.

Lunarhawk · 31-05-2007, 07:29 PM

360

I had typed out a fairly large message containing the comparions of everything like lifetime, graphics, lag, etc that took 20 minutes or so, but then when I clicked post I was randomly logged out and the whole thing was deleted so I'll just leave it at that.

And to the above poster I notice after posting, the 360 FPS usually have sensitivity options where you can control how fast you want to turn so they move fast enough, plus you get more satisfaction from things like a headshot where it takes at least some skill to AIM and it's not just point and click with a mouse.

CarnaGe · 31-05-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sutures

I've got a question about people saying console games having better control. Everyone I know that plays PC and console games will concede that control is far better on a PC. Frankly, it blows my mind that people would feel otherwise. Not trying to flame or anything, but lack of control is the main reason I generally refuse to play any console games, particularly FPS games. You just can't move your point of aim/turn anywhere near fast enough.

That's your opinion, and I respect that, but respect our opinion as well: that we think that a controller is better. You can't change our mind, and we can't change your mind.

Sutures · 31-05-2007, 07:42 PM

I might have to check that out, but unless I can turn it up fast enough to do a 360 in about a third to a half a sec it's just too slow. Headshot with a controler take no more skill than headshot's with a mouse, they just take longer. Not to mention it's nice being able to have 30+ easy to reach hotkey's =p

I understand it's opinion based, I just wondering how you figure it.

Lunarhawk · 31-05-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sutures

I might have to check that out, but unless I can turn it up fast enough to do a 360 in about a third to a half a sec it's just too slow. Headshot with a controler take no more skill than headshot's with a mouse, they just take longer. Not to mention it's nice being able to have 30+ easy to reach hotkey's =p

I understand it's opinion based, I just wondering how you figure it.

People can do some crazy stuff with high sensitivity. I remember in Jedi Academy way back when on the original xbox with it up at max you could do a full 360 turn in a split second, though that's probably too high for an FPS.

I guess I just prefer the controller because it's what I'm used too, my computer is a piece of crap and I haven't played any games on it in years. I can see the value of hotkeys but it's also annoying when you have to remember what each of those 30 hotkeys is. If you can do that, sure they're a valuable asset but if not you may just screw yourself over.

Sutures · 31-05-2007, 07:54 PM

That is true, I've screwed myself a couple of time by deciding to move hotkey's around. Nothing quite like drawing a pistol when you mean to medpack or BoPing yourself when you mean to consecrate(Did that one yesterday =p).

While we are on this topic, when did they decide to not have cross plateform servers. Last I heard they were still trying to integrate that.

zeekgenateer · 31-05-2007, 11:14 PM

The reason why you haven't heard that is because they haven't said it. Don't ever trust what people say out of hand if they don't give proof. A lot of the forum people think they're know it alls. I might be classified as one, but for the most part I based my posts on fact. (If you want to see an example of people saying things that don't make sense see the thread on how 360 players can only play hybrids don't remember the link or if it hasn't been deleted that was interesting.)

Berserker · 01-06-2007, 06:22 PM

PC for better aiming, typing, hotkeys, and possibly better graphics.

CarnaGe · 01-06-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Berserker

PC for better aiming

now, that's relative. I aim better with a controller, therefore I think that's better. But that's all up to each and everyone of us.

Felix12g · 01-06-2007, 11:09 PM

With Huxley still beyond the horzion I think it's still too soon to rule out everything. Shadowrun is a fast paced FPS similar in design (Speed wise) to what Huxley wants. Webzen is almost certainly going to see how this cross platform game turns out.

In terms of pro's and cons of 360 vs PC I like the discussion so far. Valid points are popping up everywhere. One that doesn't make much sense to me is the graphics. The 360 came out in November of 2005. It is now June of 2007. Most people will agree that Huxley will probably not be coming out this year. That's a full 2 year difference on hardware between the 360 and the PC. The normal time for video cards etc to become outdated is about a month? If Huxley is released mid next year you're looking at a 2 and a half year difference in hardware available for PC users to get the most out of a new engine.

Price is going to be a contention with console vs pc always. Until recently it was very obvious which is the better buy when pc's went for $1-$1.5k and a console was $120. Now with the xbox at $500 and the ps3 at $600 that line is blurring. I don't believe it will ever become even, but the pros and cons are not nearly as sharp as before.

If control preference is your only contention at this point and hardware is not a factor, I would still go for the PC version of the game. I just picked up a usb wireless reciever for my 360 controller to use on my laptop for testing. You can easily do the same and get the best of both sides. Control you like on superior hardware.

Van_Crackin · 02-06-2007, 12:11 AM

From what I have heard from others on this forums, there will be no cross platform play.

I would believe it. Who do you think is going to win more, the guy with 20 hotkeys or the guy with like 3?

Yes, if you include an HDTV in the cost, your Xbox 360 can be just as pricey as a computer.
But an HDTV is the FUTURE of television, with many companies looking to change all their broadcasting to entirely hi def.
In the future, it will be required pretty much if you want to watch TV at all. So IMO, the TV is not a valid point, since everyone will need to have one soon anyway.

In the end, if I had to choose between a computer and console both SOLEY FOR GAMING. I would choose my Xbox.
Halo 3
Huxley
Bioshock
Assassin's Creed
Mass Effect
Quake Wars
Half Life (orange, I think?)
GTA

now I realize several of these come out for computer. But even though I do have Xbox live, NOTHING ever beats an intense system link or split screen coop with your buddies at time.
And for those computer players whining about split screen,
on my HDTV, my screen can be cut down to 1/4 and can be as big or bigger than your moniter.

Although, ask me a couple years from now when Starcraft 2 comes out and I may change my decision.

Grind · 02-06-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Demenhoth

thats a lie... i have a $200 HD(1080i 40") and FREE Amazing sound system.
plus my 360 which was also free. (a gift)
so looks like 360 wins? price wise of course...

Well I can say that I found my tower in the garbage and got 2 $600 graphics cards along with everything else I need to build my computer in a combination of gifts, lucky finds at a job and stealing things (if that's your deal lol). So I could say I got my entire amazing computer for free. Making PC win, price wise.

As to which is better to get huxley for. From your OP it sounds like you favor the 360 better than the computer. Saying that the 360 feels better to control for you means a lot because I would think control would be the biggest issue while playing an FPS. And if you find yourself fumbling around with a mouse and keyboard while you handle a controller like a pro, then your better off with the 360.

As for community, I obviosly don't know how it will work for the 360, but for the PC I know in the main cities a lot of talking and random chat will go on since you have the keyboard and probably a general chat where people can just talk to each other, say they are looking for groups/looking for more to join a group, advertise for trade and anything else you can think of. I don't know how they are going to do it with the 360 seeing as I doubt they'll put everyone in the capital city in one giant voice chat room (maybe they could seperate it by sections of the city or something).

so yeah PC games (especially mmos) always have really strong communities where everyone gets to know you and all that. If you're not into that then I guess that doesn't matter at all :D But if you are then that can make a big difference.

And of course on the 360 you'll probably have some clans you can join anyway so those can be the people you talk to and trade/battle with. It might just be a smaller group of people that you get to know.

And I was wondering. Someones early post said that the 360 would be able to play all 4 races. I haven't really followed up on the 360 version of the game, but are you talking about the 2 versions of each main race as in:

Alternative: Alteraver
Alternative: Alternix
And
Sapiens: one
Sapiens: Syn

If you are, then the PC players will be able to be any of these races as well. so that shouldn't be a deciding factor.

Or are you saying that those who play the 360 version can be the hybrids, the alts, the sapiens, and some secret race I don't know about. If so then that would be sweet for 360 players I guess :D

connnnn · 02-06-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Van_Crackin

But even though I do have Xbox live, NOTHING ever beats an intense system link or split screen coop with your buddies at time.
And for those computer players whining about split screen,
on my HDTV, my screen can be cut down to 1/4 and can be as big or bigger than your moniter.

Hi, I'm LAN, have we met? :P

As for the "well everyone needs and HDTV eventually so it shouldn't factor in" argument... I could argue that everyone needs a computer the same way, but that doesn't mean that everyone needs a $5000 computer (extreme example of course). If you have a nice TV/audio set up (both of which could work with the PC if you wanted by the way), and you're saying that's part of what makes console gaming better, then you have to factor that cost in. You could easily spend that money on really nice headphones for the PC, or a huge/multi monitors, etc instead if you wanted.

Untamed98 · 02-06-2007, 01:25 AM

360 players will be able to play all races. I doubt 360 players will be hybrids that was just a rumor made up by people who didnt understand what they read or they barely read it at all before telling everbody. Im not ruling out that 360 migth get hybrids but that is VERY doubtful.

But back to the subject I prefer a controller. I dont like a keyboard it feels very uncomforable using it for me. We can trun up contoller sensitivity and turn pretty fast. Yes mouse and keyboard are faster but you people have got to understand your way of gaming is NOT the only way of gaming. If you like PC gaming thats cool but I like playing consoles if you dont like it or somehow not understand it tough.

CarnaGe · 02-06-2007, 01:34 AM

it feels like this topic should be closed down tbh, because this discussion isn't leading to anything. PC gamers won't be able to convince 360 players that PC gaming is the superior way of gaming, and vice versa.

Untamed98 · 02-06-2007, 01:38 AM

This topic has been worn out so many times on this site. I dont get why people just cant be quiet and play games the way they like with out someone bragging that theirs is better when its really no different I guess PC gamers have fan boys among them just like console gamers.

Nobla · 02-06-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by zeekgenateer

The reason why you haven't heard that is because they haven't said it. Don't ever trust what people say out of hand if they don't give proof. A lot of the forum people think they're know it alls. I might be classified as one, but for the most part I based my posts on fact. (If you want to see an example of people saying things that don't make sense see the thread on how 360 players can only play hybrids don't remember the link or if it hasn't been deleted that was interesting.)

Or take your own post for an obvious exemple :

" in addition to prove mass effects awesomeness...
Mass Effect = BioWare
BioWare = kickass
therefore Mass Effect = kickass "

Mhhh if what you say was right we could say that
Wow = Blizzard
Blizzard = kickass
therefore Wow = kickass

I don't think so...
I think you want to impose your own opinion - which doesn't make sense - to other people and you are actually the one acting like a know it alls.

31-05-2007, 07:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sutures Training Grounds Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? I've got a question about people saying console games having better control. Everyone I know that plays PC and console games will concede that control is far better on a PC. Frankly, it blows my mind that people would feel otherwise. Not trying to flame or anything, but lack of control is the main reason I generally refuse to play any console games, particularly FPS games. You just can't move your point of aim/turn anywhere near fast enough.

31-05-2007, 07:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lunarhawk Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 148 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 39^th	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? 360 I had typed out a fairly large message containing the comparions of everything like lifetime, graphics, lag, etc that took 20 minutes or so, but then when I clicked post I was randomly logged out and the whole thing was deleted so I'll just leave it at that. And to the above poster I notice after posting, the 360 FPS usually have sensitivity options where you can control how fast you want to turn so they move fast enough, plus you get more satisfaction from things like a headshot where it takes at least some skill to AIM and it's not just point and click with a mouse.

31-05-2007, 07:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sutures Training Grounds Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? I might have to check that out, but unless I can turn it up fast enough to do a 360 in about a third to a half a sec it's just too slow. Headshot with a controler take no more skill than headshot's with a mouse, they just take longer. Not to mention it's nice being able to have 30+ easy to reach hotkey's =p I understand it's opinion based, I just wondering how you figure it.

31-05-2007, 07:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
Sutures Training Grounds Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? That is true, I've screwed myself a couple of time by deciding to move hotkey's around. Nothing quite like drawing a pistol when you mean to medpack or BoPing yourself when you mean to consecrate(Did that one yesterday =p). While we are on this topic, when did they decide to not have cross plateform servers. Last I heard they were still trying to integrate that.

31-05-2007, 11:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
zeekgenateer Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Classified to protect agents in the field Posts: 449	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? The reason why you haven't heard that is because they haven't said it. Don't ever trust what people say out of hand if they don't give proof. A lot of the forum people think they're know it alls. I might be classified as one, but for the most part I based my posts on fact. (If you want to see an example of people saying things that don't make sense see the thread on how 360 players can only play hybrids don't remember the link or if it hasn't been deleted that was interesting.) __________________ Zeek Genateer - "I'm not hacking. I'm proactively checking your network security!"

01-06-2007, 06:22 PM	#28 (permalink)
Berserker Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sneaking up on Bush with a shank... Posts: 370	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? PC for better aiming, typing, hotkeys, and possibly better graphics.

01-06-2007, 11:09 PM	#30 (permalink)
Felix12g Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 547	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? With Huxley still beyond the horzion I think it's still too soon to rule out everything. Shadowrun is a fast paced FPS similar in design (Speed wise) to what Huxley wants. Webzen is almost certainly going to see how this cross platform game turns out. In terms of pro's and cons of 360 vs PC I like the discussion so far. Valid points are popping up everywhere. One that doesn't make much sense to me is the graphics. The 360 came out in November of 2005. It is now June of 2007. Most people will agree that Huxley will probably not be coming out this year. That's a full 2 year difference on hardware between the 360 and the PC. The normal time for video cards etc to become outdated is about a month? If Huxley is released mid next year you're looking at a 2 and a half year difference in hardware available for PC users to get the most out of a new engine. Price is going to be a contention with console vs pc always. Until recently it was very obvious which is the better buy when pc's went for $1-$1.5k and a console was $120. Now with the xbox at $500 and the ps3 at $600 that line is blurring. I don't believe it will ever become even, but the pros and cons are not nearly as sharp as before. If control preference is your only contention at this point and hardware is not a factor, I would still go for the PC version of the game. I just picked up a usb wireless reciever for my 360 controller to use on my laptop for testing. You can easily do the same and get the best of both sides. Control you like on superior hardware. __________________ If you can't describe what you are doing as a process, you don't know what you're doing. ~W. Edwards Deming

02-06-2007, 12:11 AM	#31 (permalink)
Van_Crackin Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 71	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? From what I have heard from others on this forums, there will be no cross platform play. I would believe it. Who do you think is going to win more, the guy with 20 hotkeys or the guy with like 3? Yes, if you include an HDTV in the cost, your Xbox 360 can be just as pricey as a computer. But an HDTV is the FUTURE of television, with many companies looking to change all their broadcasting to entirely hi def. In the future, it will be required pretty much if you want to watch TV at all. So IMO, the TV is not a valid point, since everyone will need to have one soon anyway. In the end, if I had to choose between a computer and console both SOLEY FOR GAMING. I would choose my Xbox. Halo 3 Huxley Bioshock Assassin's Creed Mass Effect Quake Wars Half Life (orange, I think?) GTA now I realize several of these come out for computer. But even though I do have Xbox live, NOTHING ever beats an intense system link or split screen coop with your buddies at time. And for those computer players whining about split screen, on my HDTV, my screen can be cut down to 1/4 and can be as big or bigger than your moniter. Although, ask me a couple years from now when Starcraft 2 comes out and I may change my decision.

02-06-2007, 01:25 AM	#34 (permalink)
Untamed98 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 144 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 109^th	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? 360 players will be able to play all races. I doubt 360 players will be hybrids that was just a rumor made up by people who didnt understand what they read or they barely read it at all before telling everbody. Im not ruling out that 360 migth get hybrids but that is VERY doubtful. But back to the subject I prefer a controller. I dont like a keyboard it feels very uncomforable using it for me. We can trun up contoller sensitivity and turn pretty fast. Yes mouse and keyboard are faster but you people have got to understand your way of gaming is NOT the only way of gaming. If you like PC gaming thats cool but I like playing consoles if you dont like it or somehow not understand it tough.

02-06-2007, 01:34 AM	#35 (permalink)
CarnaGe Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Xbox Live Sweden Posts: 291	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? it feels like this topic should be closed down tbh, because this discussion isn't leading to anything. PC gamers won't be able to convince 360 players that PC gaming is the superior way of gaming, and vice versa.

02-06-2007, 01:38 AM	#36 (permalink)
Untamed98 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 144 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 109^th	Re: Huxley, Which Platform? This topic has been worn out so many times on this site. I dont get why people just cant be quiet and play games the way they like with out someone bragging that theirs is better when its really no different I guess PC gamers have fan boys among them just like console gamers.