Huxley Game, Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter Game, MMOFPS

Callice · 02-11-2007, 10:44 AM

Morning,

Well I haven't read all the posts,so im not sure if this was already mentioned...
But im guessing that people would prefer the game to be B2P (Buy 2 play) With an Item mall maybe ? I mean i would be able to Buy the game and use Item mall,But not do the monthly fee business...

First of all I seriously doubt huxley will be free,Unlike the rest of this company's games,and i thought,If they put the B2P Plus Item mall (For Extra Money) And maybe even a Donation Center..I Mean it might not make as much money as the P2P.. But its still money,and Donation Center helps for updates etc etc...Mount & Blade have been doing this (Except for Donation Part) And have been doing well...I was kinda hoping Webzen would do the same..

What are your thoughts guys ? (In the end,its up to the company and not us :P but still im curios !)

Thank you!

P.S My first post ^^ Ciao Ragazzi !

Callice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skaterepp

ahh whats the big deal? it's just an extra 6 or more bucks for xbl users... and for PC users 15$ a month isnt that bad iether. I say if you buy the game form the store.. they should give u an extra month or so for free.

Ok..I have a question,Does an Xbox cost more than a Pc ? No...

Whats the business with Xbox owners paying less than Pc owners ? Hell no !

if anything they should pay more,seeing we ALSO pay for our internet,we pay way more than they pay for thier Xbox.. seeing pc's arnt cheap...we have to pay for the software n all,and i dont think the xbox have to do that...

So please stop talking about reduced prices for xbox.. since its THICK.

& im thinking.. Huxley p2p ? im not into that :P..Firstly,they can put advertising in,they can setup an Item mall,Donations.. etc etc ! so many ways to making money with out FORCING the players to pay,but then again,I read earlier on about a way to get rid of Players who only want to ruin the game for others...Make the game B2P .. who's gonna buy a game to mess with other people ? Gotta be really dumb...

Thanks ! Sorry about Double posting !

Grind · 02-11-2007, 08:25 PM

I can't speak for everyone, but personally I have come to terms with the fact that there will most likely be a monthly fee.

I don't like the idea of having an item mall in the game. I don't want players to be able to log on and spend a bunch of money and then suddenly have the best armor in the game. especially if I had spent the last 6 months playing the game like it was meant to be played and getting my gear that way.

Sure nobody wants to pay a $10-15 fee every month, but if you really think about it, the money you pay for buying armor will go to updates in the game right? So that means new armor, then you have to pay more money to get the new armor. So you're basically doing the same thing. The only difference is that (in my opinion) you're ruining the game for those who like to play a game the way it's meant to be played.

Games are meant to be fun. They are a way to pass the time (sometimes all of your time) and help you relax or just give you something to do.

I really like everyone in a game being connected and on the same page. If some people bought their items (with real money) and others played the game to get their items, there would be a separation of players. Those who played through the game to get gear would be proud that they did so, and those who bought gear would probably just laugh that they wasted all that time.

If everyone just payed a monthly fee, we'd all be in the same boat and could all work toward endgame gear together and understand how awesome it is when someone gets a really sweet gun or something.

Callice · 02-11-2007, 08:38 PM

I understand Grind,

The separation between the 2 groups would not be a nice thing,but i was saying Item mall as a way to make money to keep the game either free,or B2P .. but yes,im starting to think its gonna be P2P..

Though the way i see it,Huxley will have less people with Pay 2 Play,than Buy 2 Play ? Or have i got this the wrong way round ?

I'd gladly buy the game.. a 1 time free is perfect for me,but a monthly fee is kinda the hard part...

Though would nice to hopefully have a Free Account ? (For example you get to do a few things.. buy certain weapons.. etc etc) And let the P2P people enjoy the full game... Just idea's.. its like im talking to myself though.

Since the Devs from Huxley wont be seeing this :P

Anyway.. those are my thoughts,thanks for the responce!

Callice.

Thrustin · 02-11-2007, 08:44 PM

Well maybe not Items in which you get a bonus (like uberl33t 300+ HP), but Items which make visual changes (like clothe and so).

Let me just summarize all the methods which whom you can earn money instead through monthly fee's:

- Advertising in game
- Sponsors
- Donation
- Item mall (visual Items)
- Making own advertisement like stated earlier on (like clan adverts)
- Selling the game
(- Through future game's (when the game has been out for a while))

If they actually own the servers, the only fee's I can think of are:

- Internet connection
- Updates?
- GM

I have no idea how much these 3 things stated above actually cost, but I'm sure they can be financed by the methods I've mentioned.

What you think?

Edit: Just let me mention that not all people can actually afford a monthly payment, since they may be in school/college.

Callice · 02-11-2007, 08:49 PM

Welcome to the Forums Thrustin.

Well i really really hope Huxley's Devs decide to do it this way...Would rule out the P2P Possibility.. Unfortantly they wont see the post,unless some 1 emails or shows it to them ...

But nice idea's.

Callice.

RobotFace · 03-11-2007, 12:14 AM

I think there will most likely be P2P in this game, but like Thrustin said, a mall for visual items could earn them more money. BUT, if the company started making more money off of that, I kind of doubt they would eliminate then monthly fee, no matter how much they start making...

Callice · 03-11-2007, 12:23 AM

Thats defintly gonna suck..well then i hope APB (Webzen game) Will be a B2P or free game.. seeing i wont be able to play Huxley if its a P2p

Anyway... we will have to wait and see on what they decide to do...

Callice.

Guyver · 03-11-2007, 12:56 AM

Look at Webzen's past records of games and we can get an estimate on how they will roll with Huxley. I'm pretty sure it will go the same way.

Callice · 03-11-2007, 10:19 AM

Well Webzen's games are free arnt they ?

And i guess they've decided to make some big money on thier games now.. im taking not only will Huxley have a fee to pay,but so will All points bulletin.. if so .. im sad :P

Ah well.. will have to see whats gonna happen ^^

idos · 21-11-2007, 05:13 AM

as long as its not more then any other mmo i'll be happy ive been waiting for a true release date for a long long time now and am still hopein for a US open beta so i can get my grounds set before getting the game

SeeJay · 21-11-2007, 10:21 PM

It would be a dumb move to put up a fee on the first person shooter crowd. FPS players don't pay to play, and putting up a fee will only drive away the general players.

You all are just a small community, not even the majority who play RPGs along with FPS. You all know how all this works and how servers must be run and etc, however, the normal FPS player doesnt give a crap why, he just is gona go oh well I will just go play another game.

Lets look at the greatest FPS games out there. Halo's, CoD's, and the battlefield series. Not one of them makes you charges to play, yet they make some of the biggest bank in the entire business. There is no need now a days for a fee to run a MMO, it is being proven all over now-a-days. So if they decided to make it free and they go through with making a great FPS, then this game will have the possibility with ranking with the best. Slapping that fee will only drive people away and lose their interest in playing this game, no matter how good it is.

I feel that is something Webzen isnt trying to do, and judging by their history this should have no fee. I am not just saying this becuase I hate monthly fees, but becuase it just makes sense. Why target an audience that has never payed to play and say hey guess what you will finally have to pay us, they are just gona go yeah u make me I just wont buy.

Flee · 25-12-2007, 01:05 PM

I hope there wont be a (monthly/weekly) fee, because my parents wont allow me to pay it, they say i should spend my money on usefull things, not on games :/
so please, dont let there be any fee, i wanna play this game :D !!!!!

andy24 · 03-01-2008, 07:20 AM

this graph i will explain everything.

for this to be accurate these conditions must be met(1) popular at
the start
(2) free
(3) advertizing
(4) no expansions
Untitled.jpg

red is number of player
green is amount of income from the games sold
blue is the income from advertizing

red is also costs (as the number of players stops increasing so does the costs)

if the game is popular at the beginning stages it will make + 50mil ( 60 dollars a game alteast 900K buyers) which isnt really that popular

the intial costs should be taken care of by the income from selling the game. as the game gets more popular the pirce of advertizing will increase

so the income from advertizing will increase as time goes on,

the rest is easy, if webzen can overcome the intial "hump" when the game is first released then it should survive well

Dreidel · 05-01-2008, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Callice

Morning,

Well I haven't read all the posts,so im not sure if this was already mentioned...
But im guessing that people would prefer the game to be B2P (Buy 2 play) With an Item mall maybe ? I mean i would be able to Buy the game and use Item mall,But not do the monthly fee business...

First of all I seriously doubt huxley will be free,Unlike the rest of this company's games,and i thought,If they put the B2P Plus Item mall (For Extra Money) And maybe even a Donation Center..I Mean it might not make as much money as the P2P.. But its still money,and Donation Center helps for updates etc etc...Mount & Blade have been doing this (Except for Donation Part) And have been doing well...I was kinda hoping Webzen would do the same..

What are your thoughts guys ? (In the end,its up to the company and not us :P but still im curios !)

I'm sorry but some of the shit people say lmfao. The whole item mall is the dumbest shit ive ever seen. It's only implemented in Asian games because they like to spend their life away playing comp games and they will invest huge amounts of money in it. The item mall just makes the game a competition. Monthly fee is the only logical way to go. Either that or GW style, lots of expansions which imo makes it cost more.

Btw, no one prefers item malls. Now go back to playing ur maplestory

SeeJay · 06-01-2008, 08:51 AM

Andy is thinking and your not Dreidal, they have to become popular in order to be successful! and with a monthly fee in place then it will already turn down half the crowd it is trying to hook and that is exactly what games dont want.

hero001 · 08-01-2008, 08:26 PM

There are a few things that the company has to pay for a game like this:
1) server costs (both xbox and pc which have to be different to maintain them)
2) cost to all the guys who are working on this game (which includes the amount they gave over the past couple years while it was being developed)
3) updates
4) maintance on servers
and a few others which arnt that important or i cant think of them

now i dont know the numbers that they get on advertising but im sure its a lot and they have said i read somewhere that they are going to have billards around the citys. Now they want the most money they can get and if they can maintain the game through ads only and not have to give a monthly fee thats great but if they can put in a monthly fee and only lose a few people and gain alot more money then there going to do it and there is nothing you can do about it except for everyone to leave and not play which is not going to happen especially if the fee is 10 which most people who play MMO's are used to and understand it comes with the territory.

There deffinatly not going to go over WOW monthly pay so they can attract some of there customers so im sure it probobly going to be anywhere from 0-12 dollars a month. And there probobly going to do a month free as always or maybe go to 6 months free to get it really popular before incorperating a monthly fee.

KeNshin · 08-01-2008, 09:45 PM

^ what Hero001 said + think of things this way: would you rather pay 50 bucks for a game with crappy maintenance, updates, seldomly new content or give an extra 10 bucks a month which allows them to develop a lot more.

MMOs start their real dying process the moment income goes down, this results in less development, which leads to even more people quitting because the game gets stale, if my 15 bucks a month can keep this game going for a bit longer so I can get some more fun out of it, I'll gladly fork it over.

SeeJay · 21-01-2008, 07:14 AM

Thats the thing, it no longers take a monthly fee to run a decent online mmo. MMORPGs are popping up everywhere for free, and these guys will have not only the money from ads, but the money from the individual games, so they are doing something that can be done for free, and already benefitting from it, so why would they put a fee on it?

02-11-2007, 08:25 PM	#122 (permalink)
Grind Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 826	Re: Monthly Fee I can't speak for everyone, but personally I have come to terms with the fact that there will most likely be a monthly fee. I don't like the idea of having an item mall in the game. I don't want players to be able to log on and spend a bunch of money and then suddenly have the best armor in the game. especially if I had spent the last 6 months playing the game like it was meant to be played and getting my gear that way. Sure nobody wants to pay a $10-15 fee every month, but if you really think about it, the money you pay for buying armor will go to updates in the game right? So that means new armor, then you have to pay more money to get the new armor. So you're basically doing the same thing. The only difference is that (in my opinion) you're ruining the game for those who like to play a game the way it's meant to be played. Games are meant to be fun. They are a way to pass the time (sometimes all of your time) and help you relax or just give you something to do. I really like everyone in a game being connected and on the same page. If some people bought their items (with real money) and others played the game to get their items, there would be a separation of players. Those who played through the game to get gear would be proud that they did so, and those who bought gear would probably just laugh that they wasted all that time. If everyone just payed a monthly fee, we'd all be in the same boat and could all work toward endgame gear together and understand how awesome it is when someone gets a really sweet gun or something. __________________ It's not UT, it's not Quake, it's not WoW, it's not Planetside, It's not CoD, it's not BF...It's Huxley

02-11-2007, 08:38 PM	#123 (permalink)
Callice Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy,Isernia Posts: 33	Re: Monthly Fee I understand Grind, The separation between the 2 groups would not be a nice thing,but i was saying Item mall as a way to make money to keep the game either free,or B2P .. but yes,im starting to think its gonna be P2P.. Though the way i see it,Huxley will have less people with Pay 2 Play,than Buy 2 Play ? Or have i got this the wrong way round ? I'd gladly buy the game.. a 1 time free is perfect for me,but a monthly fee is kinda the hard part... Though would nice to hopefully have a Free Account ? (For example you get to do a few things.. buy certain weapons.. etc etc) And let the P2P people enjoy the full game... Just idea's.. its like im talking to myself though. Since the Devs from Huxley wont be seeing this :P Anyway.. those are my thoughts,thanks for the responce! Callice.

02-11-2007, 08:44 PM	#124 (permalink)
Thrustin Training Grounds Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 14	Re: Monthly Fee Well maybe not Items in which you get a bonus (like uberl33t 300+ HP), but Items which make visual changes (like clothe and so). Let me just summarize all the methods which whom you can earn money instead through monthly fee's: - Advertising in game - Sponsors - Donation - Item mall (visual Items) - Making own advertisement like stated earlier on (like clan adverts) - Selling the game (- Through future game's (when the game has been out for a while)) If they actually own the servers, the only fee's I can think of are: - Internet connection - Updates? - GM I have no idea how much these 3 things stated above actually cost, but I'm sure they can be financed by the methods I've mentioned. What you think? Edit: Just let me mention that not all people can actually afford a monthly payment, since they may be in school/college.

02-11-2007, 08:49 PM	#125 (permalink)
Callice Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy,Isernia Posts: 33	Re: Monthly Fee Welcome to the Forums Thrustin. Well i really really hope Huxley's Devs decide to do it this way...Would rule out the P2P Possibility.. Unfortantly they wont see the post,unless some 1 emails or shows it to them ... But nice idea's. Callice.

03-11-2007, 12:14 AM	#126 (permalink)
RobotFace Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 95	Re: Monthly Fee I think there will most likely be P2P in this game, but like Thrustin said, a mall for visual items could earn them more money. BUT, if the company started making more money off of that, I kind of doubt they would eliminate then monthly fee, no matter how much they start making... __________________ "All your base are belong to us"

03-11-2007, 12:23 AM	#127 (permalink)
Callice Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy,Isernia Posts: 33	Re: Monthly Fee Thats defintly gonna suck..well then i hope APB (Webzen game) Will be a B2P or free game.. seeing i wont be able to play Huxley if its a P2p Anyway... we will have to wait and see on what they decide to do... Callice.

03-11-2007, 12:56 AM	#128 (permalink)
Guyver Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Destrehan, Louisiana Posts: 1,240	Re: Monthly Fee Look at Webzen's past records of games and we can get an estimate on how they will roll with Huxley. I'm pretty sure it will go the same way. __________________ I'm here...NO.. I'm there.. NO.. I'm PSYCHOSIS

03-11-2007, 10:19 AM	#129 (permalink)
Callice Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy,Isernia Posts: 33	Re: Monthly Fee Well Webzen's games are free arnt they ? And i guess they've decided to make some big money on thier games now.. im taking not only will Huxley have a fee to pay,but so will All points bulletin.. if so .. im sad :P Ah well.. will have to see whats gonna happen ^^

21-11-2007, 05:13 AM	#130 (permalink)
idos Training Grounds Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 12	Re: Monthly Fee as long as its not more then any other mmo i'll be happy ive been waiting for a true release date for a long long time now and am still hopein for a US open beta so i can get my grounds set before getting the game __________________ almost time to crack out on a real game im tierd of the others piracy is a crime - please dont steal rape or pillage

21-11-2007, 10:21 PM	#131 (permalink)
SeeJay Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 63	Re: Monthly Fee It would be a dumb move to put up a fee on the first person shooter crowd. FPS players don't pay to play, and putting up a fee will only drive away the general players. You all are just a small community, not even the majority who play RPGs along with FPS. You all know how all this works and how servers must be run and etc, however, the normal FPS player doesnt give a crap why, he just is gona go oh well I will just go play another game. Lets look at the greatest FPS games out there. Halo's, CoD's, and the battlefield series. Not one of them makes you charges to play, yet they make some of the biggest bank in the entire business. There is no need now a days for a fee to run a MMO, it is being proven all over now-a-days. So if they decided to make it free and they go through with making a great FPS, then this game will have the possibility with ranking with the best. Slapping that fee will only drive people away and lose their interest in playing this game, no matter how good it is. I feel that is something Webzen isnt trying to do, and judging by their history this should have no fee. I am not just saying this becuase I hate monthly fees, but becuase it just makes sense. Why target an audience that has never payed to play and say hey guess what you will finally have to pay us, they are just gona go yeah u make me I just wont buy.

25-12-2007, 01:05 PM	#132 (permalink)
Flee Training Grounds Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Holland!!! Posts: 1	Re: Monthly Fee I hope there wont be a (monthly/weekly) fee, because my parents wont allow me to pay it, they say i should spend my money on usefull things, not on games :/ so please, dont let there be any fee, i wanna play this game :D !!!!!

03-01-2008, 07:20 AM	#133 (permalink)
andy24 Training Grounds Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6	Re: Monthly Fee this graph i will explain everything. for this to be accurate these conditions must be met(1) popular at the start (2) free (3) advertizing (4) no expansions Untitled.jpg red is number of player green is amount of income from the games sold blue is the income from advertizing red is also costs (as the number of players stops increasing so does the costs) if the game is popular at the beginning stages it will make + 50mil ( 60 dollars a game alteast 900K buyers) which isnt really that popular the intial costs should be taken care of by the income from selling the game. as the game gets more popular the pirce of advertizing will increase so the income from advertizing will increase as time goes on, the rest is easy, if webzen can overcome the intial "hump" when the game is first released then it should survive well

06-01-2008, 08:51 AM	#135 (permalink)
SeeJay Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 63	Re: Monthly Fee Andy is thinking and your not Dreidal, they have to become popular in order to be successful! and with a monthly fee in place then it will already turn down half the crowd it is trying to hook and that is exactly what games dont want.

08-01-2008, 08:26 PM	#136 (permalink)
hero001 Training Grounds Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Monthly Fee There are a few things that the company has to pay for a game like this: 1) server costs (both xbox and pc which have to be different to maintain them) 2) cost to all the guys who are working on this game (which includes the amount they gave over the past couple years while it was being developed) 3) updates 4) maintance on servers and a few others which arnt that important or i cant think of them now i dont know the numbers that they get on advertising but im sure its a lot and they have said i read somewhere that they are going to have billards around the citys. Now they want the most money they can get and if they can maintain the game through ads only and not have to give a monthly fee thats great but if they can put in a monthly fee and only lose a few people and gain alot more money then there going to do it and there is nothing you can do about it except for everyone to leave and not play which is not going to happen especially if the fee is 10 which most people who play MMO's are used to and understand it comes with the territory. There deffinatly not going to go over WOW monthly pay so they can attract some of there customers so im sure it probobly going to be anywhere from 0-12 dollars a month. And there probobly going to do a month free as always or maybe go to 6 months free to get it really popular before incorperating a monthly fee.

08-01-2008, 09:45 PM	#137 (permalink)
KeNshin Training Grounds Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12	Re: Monthly Fee ^ what Hero001 said + think of things this way: would you rather pay 50 bucks for a game with crappy maintenance, updates, seldomly new content or give an extra 10 bucks a month which allows them to develop a lot more. MMOs start their real dying process the moment income goes down, this results in less development, which leads to even more people quitting because the game gets stale, if my 15 bucks a month can keep this game going for a bit longer so I can get some more fun out of it, I'll gladly fork it over.

21-01-2008, 07:14 AM	#138 (permalink)
SeeJay Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 63	Re: Monthly Fee Thats the thing, it no longers take a monthly fee to run a decent online mmo. MMORPGs are popping up everywhere for free, and these guys will have not only the money from ads, but the money from the individual games, so they are doing something that can be done for free, and already benefitting from it, so why would they put a fee on it?

21-01-2008, 02:11 PM	#139 (permalink)
ArchangelXZ Training Grounds Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5	Re: Monthly Fee?