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nubs · 06-07-2006, 11:32 AM

Seems to me that a lot of you are rebuking his arguements saying he has no proof with your own arguments that also have no proof...

Yes console makers make money on the games.. and there are thousands of games but how many of those thousands actually make money? Its a minority that actually make a profit, and those are usually the games that stand out from the crowd because they offer something radically new or they are a games series with a dedicated fan base.

From my own personal experience of this..

GTA3 on the PS2.. loved it, played it to death really looked forward to GTA Vice City.. got it played it.. dropped it after a couple of hours because i'd done it all before in GTA3, this offered a few bells and whistles but was essentially the same game.. end result? I didnt bother with San Andreas and wont bother with any of their newer GTA products unless they actually offer something new.

I probably will get a PS3 but i certainly wont get one until they reduce the price to something sane.

The Unreal Tournament series.. its the same game with a small graphics overhaul and a new mod added each year... i gave up buying that after onslaught, whereas i had been an avid fan of those games.

Look at "Black", this was billed as the PS2/xbox generations last big hitting game.. what was it? a rancid pile of turd that relied entirely on pretty graphics.

There are a few gaming series that are gold plated, like the Gran Turismo series, who'se basic principle appeals to pretty much all gamers and each revolutions offers enough content and gameplay as to make it worthwhile, providing that they keep leaving an appropriate gap between each release.

His comments are extreme but they certainly are a possiblity, i personally dont think we will see the end of gaming at all, but there will be a shift, i beleive the PS3 will flop, leaving microsoft and nintendo as the winners from "next gen" consoles, wich will also allow a bit of breathing space before the next set of machines come out. The other shift will also be towards MMOGs, they are the one game type he doesn't mention and they are the one game type that defy his reasoning, but they are also tradditonally PC games wich is why he hasnt included them in that article. There will be a point where MMOGs are the main game type, because they offer a format that gets around the shortcomings of current trends.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but since Planetside came out 3 years ago, I havn't since found a game that gripped me so totally (i hardly play it anymore but no game since planetside has held my attention in such a way, there have been a few games that have held my attention over short periods of time.. FarCry, Doom3 (for as long as the singleplayer lasted... ), World of Warcraft (until i hit level 60 and realised it was crap), FreeLancer, X3, Halo (xbox not pc), GT3/4 .. but before Planetside there were plenty of games that really gripped me ... Doom, Ultima Online, Baldurs Gate, Fallout, Deus Ex, Counter Strike, Quake 2, Command & Conquer, Total Annihilation, X-Com : Enemy Unknown & Terror From The Deep, GTA3, Goldeneye, Dune2, StarLancer, Conflict Freespace 2, X-Wing/Tie Fighter, Dark Forces (back when Lucas Arts only made brilliant Star Wars games), this list goes on...where have all these great games gone?

06-07-2006, 11:32 AM	#57 (permalink)
nubs Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 166	Seems to me that a lot of you are rebuking his arguements saying he has no proof with your own arguments that also have no proof... Yes console makers make money on the games.. and there are thousands of games but how many of those thousands actually make money? Its a minority that actually make a profit, and those are usually the games that stand out from the crowd because they offer something radically new or they are a games series with a dedicated fan base. From my own personal experience of this.. GTA3 on the PS2.. loved it, played it to death really looked forward to GTA Vice City.. got it played it.. dropped it after a couple of hours because i'd done it all before in GTA3, this offered a few bells and whistles but was essentially the same game.. end result? I didnt bother with San Andreas and wont bother with any of their newer GTA products unless they actually offer something new. I probably will get a PS3 but i certainly wont get one until they reduce the price to something sane. The Unreal Tournament series.. its the same game with a small graphics overhaul and a new mod added each year... i gave up buying that after onslaught, whereas i had been an avid fan of those games. Look at "Black", this was billed as the PS2/xbox generations last big hitting game.. what was it? a rancid pile of turd that relied entirely on pretty graphics. There are a few gaming series that are gold plated, like the Gran Turismo series, who'se basic principle appeals to pretty much all gamers and each revolutions offers enough content and gameplay as to make it worthwhile, providing that they keep leaving an appropriate gap between each release. His comments are extreme but they certainly are a possiblity, i personally dont think we will see the end of gaming at all, but there will be a shift, i beleive the PS3 will flop, leaving microsoft and nintendo as the winners from "next gen" consoles, wich will also allow a bit of breathing space before the next set of machines come out. The other shift will also be towards MMOGs, they are the one game type he doesn't mention and they are the one game type that defy his reasoning, but they are also tradditonally PC games wich is why he hasnt included them in that article. There will be a point where MMOGs are the main game type, because they offer a format that gets around the shortcomings of current trends. Maybe I'm just getting older, but since Planetside came out 3 years ago, I havn't since found a game that gripped me so totally (i hardly play it anymore but no game since planetside has held my attention in such a way, there have been a few games that have held my attention over short periods of time.. FarCry, Doom3 (for as long as the singleplayer lasted... ), World of Warcraft (until i hit level 60 and realised it was crap), FreeLancer, X3, Halo (xbox not pc), GT3/4 .. but before Planetside there were plenty of games that really gripped me ... Doom, Ultima Online, Baldurs Gate, Fallout, Deus Ex, Counter Strike, Quake 2, Command & Conquer, Total Annihilation, X-Com : Enemy Unknown & Terror From The Deep, GTA3, Goldeneye, Dune2, StarLancer, Conflict Freespace 2, X-Wing/Tie Fighter, Dark Forces (back when Lucas Arts only made brilliant Star Wars games), this list goes on...where have all these great games gone? __________________ [img]http://uk.geocities.com/edbennett@btinternet.com/NordicLogo7.jpg[/img]